When you purchased your Crusier did you buy it from your own liking or with the help of others.

Re Petrol and Diesel.

What made up your mind to buy Petrol give us some feed back
Like Petrol is cheaper now than Diesel
Servicing is cheaper
Price of Oil is cheaper
Overall the costs workout about the same on both Petrol and Diesel
and any other information that you can think of.

What made up your mind to buy a Diesel give us some feed back
Like where I work I can get a discount on Diesel
Like where I work (Farm) I can get my Diesel for nothing
Like where I work (Farm) I can get my Oil for nothing
Like where I work (Farm) I can get my Oil Filters and Fuel filters at the right price
Cost of Servicing
Price of Oil
Overall cost work out about the same on Diesel and Petrol
and any other information that you can think of.

After having an F-100 351 v8 and towing a trailer loaded with work gear 2 1/2 Tons due to work and travelling over 130 k's each way to work and back each day, the cost of fuel was going through the roof. I was told the HJ-60 before the 80 model came out was the perfect vehicle for the job, re economy and power. I finished up buying a HJ-60 with everything on it. After driving it and towing the same trailer and gear for over 250.000klms and spending many $$$$$$$$'s trying to get it to pull like a Diesel was supposed to have all this torque, I was very dissapointed and said that I would never ever go Diesel again. It was a total disappointment also replacing Glow Plugs every 3 months was expensive.

I traded this HJ-60 in on a GXL 80 series 4.5lt brand new and was this a different kettle of fish, towing was a dream once again and the fuel cost went down to blazes even in comparison to the HJ-60, travelling time was nearly half over the same distance especiall towing. The torque that everone spoke of that was supposed to be in the Diesel HJ-60 suddenly came to life in the 4.5lt Petrol, it's a pity we wern't told of the lack of in the Diesel engine before you buy.

In the first 7 mths of owning the 80 series with the 4.5lt engine we did 75.000klms and it was serviced every 5000klms so went in about every 4 to 5 weeks for a service. The cost of the services were nearly half of the Diesel at that time and even back then the Diesel fuel was cheaper at the pump it worked out cost wise that the 4.5lt was cheaper all round.

I did not hesitate to buy another 4.5lt as this suits my needs and I can when travelling cover all costs as you travel and work on most of the engine parts myself without involving others.

I am not trying to educate or talk people into what to buy or not to buy but rather give my in put as being an owner of different models.

I also acknowledge that engine changes in the different model are completly different engines but you have to wonder after having a bad run with a Diesel before makes you think twice.

Plus when I spoke with the salesman for the 80 series with the 4.5lt he explained that this new 4.5lt engine will give you everything that your after and this made the deal. He also told me that the HJ-60 Diesel was bad for Toyota re the sales against Landrover etc because of the above reasons. The Salesman by the way organised a service vehicle everytime for nothing and they supplied the fuel while driving it.

i bought a diesel simply because at the time i was living and working in Kalgoorlie for 1 of the biggest Underground mining companies in Kal so you would be mad to have anything but a diesel Landcruiser because all servicing parts and oils were free along with probably 50% of your diesel

When i was looking about 12 months ago the 1st 80 i test drove had the 1hd-fte motor fitted it was a 5 speed
drove like it was a subaro wrx, fast 4wd but with standard toyota parts.

I ended up with a 96 1hd-ft auto done about 300,000 when i got it all country ks (i had a 6 hour train trip to pick it up near swanhill in vic)

long story shorter i've fitted a 3" beudesert exh a safari snorkle repalaced the air filter with the toyota 1
and this thing haul's arse now. But it was a bit of a slug when i got it!

Plus i was sick of having a gas/petrol fj45 that didn't like water even with an electronic dizzy

The one MAIN reason i bought a 4wd was just to slow me down so i could keep my licence.. I knew nothing bout 4bies really... just glad (lucky) i got one thats easy to mod!

Oh and the second reason i bought it, is cos i got it cheeeeeep i wasnt even really thinking of buying a 4wd at the time... just seemed like a good idea when my uncle decided to sell his

You are blaming your problems on a diesel because you cant do maths
351 V8 produces approximately 130KW and 360NM of Torque
2H produces approximately 80KW and 240NM of Torque

Why the Hell would you expect better performance and economy from a vastly less powerful engine just because it is diesel. If you were silly enough to believe a car salesmen's bullshit instead of checking your facts then the blame lies fairly and squarely on your shoulders not on the diesel engine.

also replacing Glow Plugs every 3 months was expensive
This is operator error, no fault of the engine, you are only supposed to warm the cylinders not try to ignite the fuel with the glow plugs

I traded this HJ-60 in on a GXL 80 series 4.5lt brand new and was this a different kettle of fish, towing was a dream once again and the fuel cost went down to blazes even in comparison to the HJ-60, travelling time was nearly half over the same distance especiall towing. The torque that everone spoke of that was supposed to be in the Diesel HJ-60 suddenly came to life in the 4.5lt Petrol, it's a pity we wern't told of the lack of in the Diesel engine before you buy.
Gee I wonder why the 80 was better, you only went from 80KW & 240NM to 158KW & 373NM, I am shocked that you saw such a difference, it would have even outperformed your 351V8. Again you mention the torque everyone spoke about, so again I say did you bother to check for yourself


In the first 7 mths of owning the 80 series with the 4.5lt engine we did 75.000klms and it was serviced every 5000klms so went in about every 4 to 5 weeks for a service. The cost of the services were nearly half of the Diesel at that time and even back then the Diesel fuel was cheaper at the pump it worked out cost wise that the 4.5lt was cheaper all round.
HUH, every 5K for less than 75K, I just checked and no major services on the diesel so you are basically talking oil & filter--Diesel 10L of Oil + 1 Filter---Petrol 10L of oil + 1 Filter, where is the double cost

I did not hesitate to buy another 4.5lt as this suits my needs and I can when travelling cover all costs as you travel and work on most of the engine parts myself without involving others.
Let me see, you use around double the fuel I do for the same trip, so you did 250,000 in your F100, My diesel would have used around 25,000 litres and your would have used around 50,000 litres for the same miles. At todays prices I would have spent $30,000 and you would have spend around $60,000, boy I can get some injectors and pumps rebuilt for those dollars

I am not trying to educate or talk people into what to buy or not to buy but rather give my in put as being an owner of different models.
Oh yes you are

Plus when I spoke with the salesman for the 80 series with the 4.5lt he explained that this new 4.5lt engine will give you everything that your after and this made the deal. He also told me that the HJ-60 Diesel was bad for Toyota re the sales against Landrover etc because of the above reasons. The Salesman by the way organised a service vehicle everytime for nothing and they supplied the fuel while driving it.[/quote]
This is the same salesman that told you a 60 series will replace your F100 and give you more performance and economy is it?

haha is it getting hot in here?

Ok, let's keep it nice. It's only an opinion nothing more

I chose a diesel because I like the LOW DOWN torque they have. I think people get this confused when they compare the torque of a diesel engine to that of a petrol ( with all else being equal ) They dont necessarily make MORE torque than a petrol. A petrol will labour from a much lower RPM than an equivelant diesel. This does not always suit offroad conditions. The 1fz-fe produces 387Nm at 3600 rpm. The 1HDt will make 357Nm at 1800rpm. the 1hz 285nm at 2200rpm. A diesel is basically better suited to chugging around in the bush in low range with a mountain of torque available from very low rpm, whilst being relatively frugal. Petrol engines dont like chugging around at low revs and tend to use more fuel doing so.

There is no way a 1hz will be a better engine to use on-road or for towing, but out in the bush theyre in their element. I bought a 4x4 to use it as one, other times it mostly sits in the shed. If I drove mine long distances everyday I would have looked at a petrol or better yet, the 1HD-T. IMO its the best of both worlds. Enough torque to comfortably tow a decent load, while being relatively frugal and all of which is available from low rpm.

As for servicing. There is very little in it IMO. I service my 1hz every 5000k's. I buy my diesel oil in 20 litre drums which I get for a good price. This lasts me two services. Each service costs me under $50 using good quality oil, I could skimp and buy a cheaper oil if I wanted to. A petrol engine will be roughly the same, especially when you factor in things like spark plugs, ignition leads, rotor buttons, distributer caps etc over the years. Both engines will require Injector servicing at some stage etc etc

Some use the argument that the injector pump costs alot to rebuild. This is true, However so does valve stem seals and worn valve guides on the 1FZ-FE

Horses for courses, each engine has its place

I am not pro diesel or pro petrol, I have had both and got them for different reasons, if you are going to bag either engine then you should back it up with information that is not biased. But blaming all of your problems on a diesel engine when in fact it was the choice of engine for the task that was the problem is what I have an issue with. I also have issue with constant claims about diesels being more expensive to run, but in reality it depends on what you use your vehicle for. Lots of K's and heavy loads, if petrol had the lower TCO then every semi on the road would be petrol, in the same vane if you want to drive to work every day you would not buy a prime mover would you.

When my 4wd sat in the backyard and I drove a car to work I had a petrol 80, when I decided to get rid of the car and use the 80 full time I changed to diesel and so far am around $700.00 better off in fuel costs for the lat 12 months. Sure the diesel fuel system is more expensive to fix but if I save $700/year I can rebuild it every 5 years (pump and injectors), if I did even more miles I would be even better off.

Barry

Bought my first FZJ80 because it was the only proper cruiser that i could find in 2 days.

4 years later looking for another because the missus like the GXL so much she liberated it from me.

Looking for diesel, drove HZJ105 - donkey slow. Drove HDJ79 - great diesel, powerfull - too much $$$

Settled for another FZJ80 for $6k, already know the petrols, trust them, enough power. Closest diesel in the same range was HZJ80 for $14k. Do the maths.....

So if the petrol and the diesel cost the same to buy, what would you have got and why?

Barry

I owned an LPG 4.5 80 and discovered it's short comings on a trip that was supposed to be Adelaide, Marree, Lyndhurst, Innamicka, Cameron Corner, Tibooburra, Broken Hill Canberra.

Lyndhurst was the last place we could get LPG so we filled the LPG and the petrol tanks to the max and headed for Innaminka. By the Cameron Corner turn off at Merty Merty we'd used all of the LPG and was almost half way into the petrol. After some quick maths I'd determined that we could make it to Innaminka, but as they don't have LPG we wouldn't make it on petrol alone around to Merty Merty and then to Cameron Corner, safely. So we cut our losses and went straight to Cameron Corner.

When we got home we sold the petrol and got a diesel. With long range tank the truck can get about 1700km between drinks. No more having to cut trips short.

Alternately, if you only ever plan to drive close to where LPG is readily available then it is by far the cheapest option.


A straight petrol is the dearest option due to fuel consumption.


As for initial cost, a 6K petrol will return 3K (if you're lucky) at resale in 3-5 yrs time, a diesel (TD) that's $14k now will still get $14k in 3-5 yrs, simply because people want the TD.

In the end it all comes down to your intended use for the vehicle. If you're looking to do long range extended trips in remote areas then the TD is the best option, if you only plan on staying local or hugging the populated coastal areas then a petrol on LPG is the best option.

hi guys deisel 1hz does the job just fine it crusises along the open road really well, up big hills in 5th at about 90 and when fully loaded with all my camping gear it still goes up at 80 in 4th which is just fine and most hills all the way in 5th
plenty of torque and deisels are great off road and great reliabillity and the best through big water crossings
only mod i wanna do is new extractors and a 2.5 exhust
1hz is the way to go

Add a lift pump that puts 5-8psi to the IP and you'll discover another 5-10km/h up some of those hills. This saves the IP having to suck and allows it to work a little more efficiently. Also works on TD's.